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dramastef Original Post: Aug 02 '08,  11:08 am           Reply
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Children's Books

I'm sure this has been talked about before (I have it on good authority), but let's talk about it again. What do you expect from a children's book review?

For me:

1. Plot. Spoilers are fine.
2. Illustrations or picture description.
3. Author and Illustrator
4. Intended audience age approximation

and the most important:

5. What the child(ren) thought about the book.

There are some more I like to see of course, but I'm finding 5 missing more and more with the 10-4-10 and a children's book review just isn't Very Helpful to me without that information. It's like reviewing baby food and not telling me if your baby liked the taste. I don't care if you liked the taste. What did Junior think?

More importantly for this thread, what do you think about this issue?

~Stef

   
pestyside Posted: Aug 02 '08,  4:03 pm           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

Quote: dramastef

1. Plot. Spoilers are fine.
2. Illustrations or picture description.
3. Author and Illustrator
4. Intended audience age approximation

and the most important:

5. What the child(ren) thought about the book.



~Stef

There's quite a difference between children's picture books and chapter books/novels (as you know) but your basics are definitely what I would consider important...

1. Yes, actually some parents really want to know more so they can decide if it's something their children will enjoy and whether will it upset them...I've had parents ask if it ended sad or happy. If it has something controversial it should be mentioned. Kite Runner is required reading this summer for sophomores in our community and it's being challenged because of the rape scene.
2. Something about the illustrations and the quality/sophistication helps
3. I feel strongly that children's picture books should always have the author AND the illustrator
4. Some publishers claim books are appropriate for one age group and I've disagreed with their determination on more than one (try 100 or more) times. As reviewers I think it's important to let others know what age groups the books best suit.

and most important...

What does the child think? What is their response?

I've been working a lot with books used in the classroom and books with educational content and where possible a hint on how that will meet a teaching objective could be beneficial but I know that only those involved in education can really provide that detail.

Interesting question. I eagerly await the next reply.

Patsy

   
sleeper54 Posted: Aug 02 '08,  10:05 pm           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

Quote: dramastef
I'm sure this has been talked about before (I have it on good authority), but let's talk about it again. What do you expect from a children's book review?

For me:

1. Plot. Spoilers are fine.

Check. Particularly if the story goes somewhere 'unexpected'. Somewhere in your matrix what the young reader or 'those-read-to' should be expected to bring from the book should be discussed. Noting that here under 'Plot' might be appropriate. Or perhaps it deserves its own 'knock-out point'



Quote: dramastef
2. Illustrations or picture description.

If you do not know the particular technique used to color or create the pictures, that is fine, for me anyway.

But certainly talk about brightness or 'dark'; do they match the tone of the story; if a physical book (textures, pop-ups, whatever) are they age-appropriate and durable; are they pleasing..??



Quote: dramastef
3. Author and Illustrator

May or may not be important. If they are by a known (to you) author or illustrator do they meet or exceed your expectations.

If they are someone new, do they compare to someone you might be familiar with.



Quote: dramastef
4. Intended audience age approximation

Absolutely important. One would think that would not be necessary to state here. And obvious to state in a review.



Quote: dramastef
and the most important:

5. What the child(ren) thought about the book.

There are some more I like to see of course, but I'm finding 5 missing more and more with the 10-4-10 and a children's book review just isn't Very Helpful to me without that information. It's like reviewing baby food and not telling me if your baby liked the taste. I don't care if you liked the taste. What did Junior think?

Absolutely. Even if your child(s)' experience was years ago, you can still share this with the reader. I like the reviewers that indicate whether this book is one kids pick for themselves.



Quote: dramastef
More importantly for this thread, what do you think about this issue?


~Stef

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...tom...

P.S. It might be noted that some stories sold as childrens books actually can be read, enjoyed, collected by adults as well. Though it would seem that a reviewer would make this obvious in their review.
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panguitch Posted: Aug 04 '08,  8:43 am           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

1. For picture books revealing the plot is fine. For chapter books I might start to feel uneasy. For middle grade and young adult I would begin treating it like adult books as far as plot spoilers go. At the same time it's still important to note whether there are elements that would turn certain readers off.

2&3. Yes, if the illustrations are important to the book then they're important to the review.

4. I sometimes have a hard time remembering to include age recommendations. Most often I do it in an assumptive way rather than blatantly. If I call something a young adult novel I figure I've covered this angle. But there's a greater spread among picture books so perhaps I should be more specific for those.

5. I think this is helpful information, but perhaps not always necessary. I can understand the baby food comparison. But what about a middle-grade book? Can you review the first Harry Potter book without talking about how your ten-year-old feels about it? What about the Hobbit? Of course you can. So why not picture books? Where do you draw the line? Probably at the point where the primary audience shifts--did you read the book for yourself or for your kid.

I sometimes read picture books just for myself. And some picture books are secretly intended for adult audiences--you know the type, they're the inspirational or nostalgic ones your aunt has on her coffee table.

So while I'd say that talking about what your child thought about the books is often important (even most important) I'm don't think I can say it's something I "require" in every review.

-Andy

   
pestyside Posted: Aug 04 '08,  10:04 am           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

Quote: panguitch
1.
I sometimes read picture books just for myself. And some picture books are secretly intended for adult audiences--you know the type, they're the inspirational or nostalgic ones your aunt has on her coffee table.

So while I'd say that talking about what your child thought about the books is often important (even most important) I'm don't think I can say it's something I "require" in every review.

-Andy


Good point. I confess to falling into the category of reading some picture books for myself and collecting them too. I'm especially fond of those with environmental messages, clever pop ups or great stories. My excuse is buying them for myself with the logic that I can use them with kids (sometimes that happens, sometimes that doesn't). So do you think we can we say adults will probably like them more than kids and why?
   
dramastef Posted: Aug 04 '08,  10:56 am           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

I have a whole shelf (or two) of children's books that my children have never been allowed to touch. They're collector's editions, fragile pop-ups, or just plain sentimental to me. And if they fall into that camp, I think it's important to note in a review.

Heck, if you review a kids book based on your own thoughts, that's not unimportant. It will give me something to go on when trying to find new books for my own kids. But unless I know that going in, I assume that it was read to or by a child, and I'd like to know their reaction as well as yours.

   
dramastef Posted: Aug 04 '08,  11:04 am           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

Quote: panguitch
For middle grade and young adult I would begin treating it like adult books as far as plot spoilers go. At the same time it's still important to note whether there are elements that would turn certain readers off.


Agreed. Middle school begins the no-spoiler realm (with a few exceptions)


Quote: panguitch
5. I think this is helpful information, but perhaps not always necessary. I can understand the baby food comparison. But what about a middle-grade book? Can you review the first Harry Potter book without talking about how your ten-year-old feels about it? What about the Hobbit? Of course you can. So why not picture books? Where do you draw the line? Probably at the point where the primary audience shifts--did you read the book for yourself or for your kid.


Excellent point... where the primary audience shifts. And in a book like HP or The Hobbit, the audience is so mixed, that your thoughts are just as important to me as your ten-year-old child's thoughts.

But for a book like "When Sophie Gets Angry- Really, Really Angry" I'd like to know how the child reacted to the heroine in the story. Did it help deal with anger issues? If you're an adult trying to cope by reading "When Sophie Gets Angry--Really, Really Angry"... well, um, that's a different thread.
   
pablothegreat Posted: Aug 04 '08,  6:05 pm           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

With my reviews, it really can't compare. With a special needs child who does not express herself sometimes, I can only go by what I know. Did a character's illness or death upset her? Was a bullying incident hard on her? Also every child is different. I may have a group of children listening to the story and all will have different reactions. My child is super sensitive so does get upset about any unhappy details in the book. Also age ranges...I pick up books about emotions, no matter if they are board books...we are still working with her on expressing emotions in non-aggressive ways. Will one book solve this issue? Of course not. Also one book on fears of the dark or on not going to sleep is not going to instantly help either. But over time, hopefully she will get something out of them.

I do my best and hope it is enough. When I read book reviews for a book for my child, I want to always know the ending. Will it frighten her or upset her? Does a character die? She is into chapter books now so this still applies. The last thing I want is for her to be more scared than she already is...of the dark, of monsters, ....





Quote: dramastef
Agreed. Middle school begins the no-spoiler realm (with a few exceptions)




Excellent point... where the primary audience shifts. And in a book like HP or The Hobbit, the audience is so mixed, that your thoughts are just as important to me as your ten-year-old child's thoughts.

But for a book like "When Sophie Gets Angry- Really, Really Angry" I'd like to know how the child reacted to the heroine in the story. Did it help deal with anger issues? If you're an adult trying to cope by reading "When Sophie Gets Angry--Really, Really Angry"... well, um, that's a different thread.

   
pablothegreat Posted: Aug 04 '08,  6:09 pm           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

My child who has autism reacted to that book you specifically put in your last paragraph by hiding her head and refusing to look at the character. Would this info have helped anyone interested in the book? No. She is super sensitive and won't look at characters showing any strong emotions.


Quote: dramastef
Agreed. Middle school begins the no-spoiler realm (with a few exceptions)




Excellent point... where the primary audience shifts. And in a book like HP or The Hobbit, the audience is so mixed, that your thoughts are just as important to me as your ten-year-old child's thoughts.

But for a book like "When Sophie Gets Angry- Really, Really Angry" I'd like to know how the child reacted to the heroine in the story. Did it help deal with anger issues? If you're an adult trying to cope by reading "When Sophie Gets Angry--Really, Really Angry"... well, um, that's a different thread.

   
jurgrace Posted: Aug 06 '08,  1:16 pm           Reply
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RE: Children's Books

I agree with most of what's been posted here.

Quote: dramastef

1. Plot. Spoilers are fine.


I think spoilers are fine unless it is a chapter book. For books intended for preschoolers and under, I don't think it's possible to spoil the story for parent shoppers.

Quote: dramastef

2. Illustrations or picture description.


For books intended for the five and under crowd, illustrations deserve their own paragraph. Who did them, and how well do they fit with the story? Are they brightly colored, scribbled, scary, etc.?

Quote: dramastef

3. Author and Illustrator


Agreed

Quote: dramastef

4. Intended audience age approximation


There should be some kind of age recommendation here. Some publisher recommendations are way off base. I read a memoir that has images and language I consider too graphic to recommend to young adults, unless they really are adults.

Quote: dramastef

5. What the child(ren) thought about the book.


I couldn't agree more. There are books I have liked that my children haven't, and vice versa. Again, I find this more important with books intended for small children. There are some books I like but there is too much text to hold a toddler's attention. With that in mind, I have been including some sample texts lately in a lot of my children's books reviews. Some children's books use words that are not simplistic enough for the intended age group. One parent might find those words at-level for their child, while another may not.

As someone who likes to see what Epinionators say on certain children's books before heading to the library, those are my two cents.

Grace


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